As a single student you live in the university accommodation. In shaa Allah I’m hoping to post some pictures in the near future (one of the brothers has taken them, and they just need uploading).
Most of the rooms are now in new buildings, which means that they are of a decent standard. Rooms in the old buildings can be a bit of a nightmare but they are slowly being phased out.
The rooms are shared accommodation, with 2-4 brothers in a room. In some rooms, each person has a kind of partition which gives a bit of privacy. However, this is not always the case, and many of the new rooms are open plan. Students often rearrange their furniture to give them some privacy. There is enough room for a bed, small table, and a wardrobe, but not much else – although some students get creative with their room layout to make more space!
The university stipend of 840 riyals per month (approx £150, $225) is enough to live on. Students who are currently enrolled in Saudi high school, or those who will have to go to the high school because they don’t have GCSE/High School qualification, only get half that amount for the duration of the Arabic language course and during their high school study until they enter the degree course.
If you like your western comforts and eating out, you would probably need to work in your home country in the summer, to supplement your university salary. The good thing is that it doesn’t take much – just £1000 extra per year would make a huge difference to your lifestyle. Having said that, many students manage with just the university money, especially since there is a nice boost of 3000+ riyals (approx £450) when you come back from the summer break, because they continue paying your stipend even when you are away.
In terms of daily life, I already mentioned about the university day here. Most single students spend their afternoons in the Masjid An-Nabawi, where there are several daily study circles by senior scholars, as well as many Qur’aan teachers. These classes can be just as beneficial as the university study itself. Free buses take students from Asr until after ‘Ishaa.
Study in the Arabic language course is not all that intensive, so there is a great opportunity to finish memorisation of the Qur’aan, as well as improving Arabic skills by attending some of the classes outside of the university. Study in the degree course depends very much upon which faculty you are enrolled in, but there is still time for external study.
The university organises occasional ‘Umrah trips, but most students go themselves in small groups, by taxi or by public transport. Makkah is just over 400km from Madinah (around 250 miles). A bus takes about 5-6 hours, whereas a taxi (if you are brave enough to handle the driving
) takes around 3-4 hours.
Now take a look at information for married students.

Asalamu alaykum,
Brother if I have an ESL certificate (teach english as a second language) could this help me get into Al Medina University?
What are some of the questions they ask during the interview?
Barakallahufeekum
Wa alaykumussalaam warahmatullah,
The ESL certificate wouldn’t help you with Madinah, since they only offer a scholarship programme. However, ESL (depending on the type and quality of the qualification) can help you to get to Saudi in general as an English teacher, which opens the option of studying Arabic on an evening (the uni offers an evening course which is similar to the 2 year Arabic course which the ordinary students do), then doing some general courses, or benefiting from the scholars. However, it should be said that living in Saudi as an English teacher isn’t easy, and it definitely requires a lot of patience.
In terms of questions they ask at the interview, have a look at the FAQ: http://soyouwanttobeastudent.wordpress.com/applying-to-madinah-university/frequently-asked-questions/ – Under the ‘interview’ section, I think I mentioned it there.
Baarak Allahu feek,
Wassalaamu alaykum warahmatullah,
Muhammad
Salamualaikum Warrahmatullahi Wabarakatuh, Oh Brother in Islam, I have read all the stuff I am needed to do, for the most part I think I can do, but I just needed a bit on answering on my questions and I need a little bit of help with reference or contact, My question is, I know we can give the stuff in a package but I also know that we can go there for an interview. For the interview, is it before getting accepted or after? And my other question is I live in canada, Toronto. And am looking for atleast 2 good reference. If by any chance you know anyone then, can you please help me out, May ALLAH bless you in this Dunya And in the akhira.
Already replied to your first post.
Assalam walaikum do u have any info or sites like this relationg to Al – Imam Muhammad ibn Saud Islamic University in riyadh? are there students from uk going there??
Wa alaykumussalaam warahmatullah,
I know of one student who is currently studying in Riyadh and I heard that one of the sisters was also accepted this year. I don’t have very much information about the university. I was hoping that someone would be able to contribute that information, but so far I haven’t found anyone.
Wassalaamu alaykum warhmatullah,
Muhammad
brother I know a brother**
brother I know that studied for a couple years in madinah he said in the institute for the people who didnt do highschool that go there amongest them there was brothers from britain,australia etc.
Assalaamu alaykum,
Like I said, the official response is that it is completely against the rules. As I mentioned, in Saudi, not everything ends up going by the rules. I seem to remember that some of the brothers got accepted with GNVQ type qualifications and then ended up in Saudi high school.
I honestly can’t tell you anything more than that…I know there are brothers who are there, but even they tell me that it isn’t normal procedure. Allah knows best.
Wasslaamu alaykum,
Muhammad
Inshallah jazakalah xar axkhii may allah reward you for all your efforts and work inshallah….
Axkhi as your are in madinah right now I think you can help me out moree basically axkhii I didnt get to do my gcse’s cause when the exams were being talking I was taken into prison for 4months for something I didnt do, and this was before I started practising Islam, so axkhii could you please findout for me from the people who are incharge of the enrolling of the students if they could let a brother in the highschool over there or whatelse they could do and I aint got a uk passport by the way I gott a dutch nationality and dutch passport. as salamu alaikum..
Assalaamu alaykum,
Inshaa Allah, I’ll ask at the university when they open, about a week after eid.
Wassalaamu alaykum,
Muhammad
I Have links with a known dua’t sheikh abu usama at thahabi I dont now if you know him do you think he would be able to get me in?
Like I mentioned on one of the pages, not everyone who is well known by us in the UK, is actually well known by the university in Madinah. The best thing to do is just to ask him, see what he says. He might have some good contacts from back when he studied there. I honestly don’t know.
As salamu alaikum axkhii im finking of learning arabic there and then going to the highschool there instead of here cause I havent down gcses and no college does gcses and if they do its only for people who have already done it but are retaking it and I know the highschool dont take uk students but cause I have a dutch nationalty would they accept that jazakalu xar as salamu alaikum?
Wa alaykumussalaam warahmatullah,
As far as I know, they don’t accept any western students into the High School system. They only accept from Saudi and certain African countries as far as I know…
I know there are some brothers who have done it, but usually they’ve done so because of strong connections in the university.
Allah knows best,
Wassalaamu alaykum warahmatullah
Salaam to all my brothers and Ramadan Kareem Mabrook!
Hope everyone is good.
Please remember us all in Duas.
Anyway Brother abuabdirrahmanhumble Hayyak wa Bayyak! It’s me Gulam Muhith (long essay boy). Sorry i was out of touch because was very busy with preparation of sisters wedding and the actual ceremony, then the clean up and now Ramadan.
I’m not sure if you remember but the replies to most recent post of mines you said that you’ll answer briefly (to one of my long post) and then later Insha-Allah in depth because you’re currently busy (that was 1 month back) withj getting names and translating. Not sure if you’re still busy but i’m still in wait for your reply, and if you are busy then i apologise and ask you to delay your reply.
Along with the other questions i asked (i think on almost on every link on the side until ‘Documents….’ section & with regards to your Marriage and age etc) i would like to ask this question. I’m not sure if this has already been asked by me or others & i do remember you replying to one of my question (relating to this) but this is for further clarification. Unfortunately i dont remember which section i asked and you replied so i thought this question to be asked is much related to this page/section so i’ll post again but request details.
Briefly i’ll quickly ask:
*I havent yet received my acceptance letter…how much more do we have to wait (i got patience) and what would the letter contain if you know anything?
*What happens if your MP does not give you letter (in process of it) of doesn’t know much about you however, the chancellors do know me (seeing me here and there) so is it alright if i get a letter of them? Is it a MUST from MP? How can we persuade them if they are strong christians? What happens if i be thrown around to write in formally or go run around and get delayed in obtaining the (any even if doctors report) required documents while academical year October’s commencing?
*What time is it best to be in Madinah Munawwarah at the Jamiah and what are the advantages of being there early? What happens if you go late into the Jamiah because you arrived late? & 1 IMPORTANT question is when does the monthly stipend/allowance roll in?
*This maybe a repetition question:
I remember reading about the amount that would be recommended to bring along with you (i’m UK) when you come to Jamiah…could you please break it down with regards to how much you should bring? Is it sufficient enough? Now is this amound you bring (addition) for the first few months when you get in and settle down or it’s a strict continuous monthly amount which needs to be sent over?
I know we are student & one should look after himself and be mindful of ONLY the necessaties (<–sorry about spelling) and should learn about patience BUT…I'm sure you need that little extra for the transition of living as a Western Student to an Islamic Eastern Student.
My parents were asking how much in addition do i need. They think i would need like around £2000 or more every month (& they are weak, old and not working) but from meeting others who studied or studying and doing research (along with this site) it seems like there are no needs to send such amount. I was thinking even £400 a year which is about £40 per month is good enough… correct me if i'm wrong!
*what else benefits (apart from spiritual and academical) are there in studying there and what happens to equipments and books etc? Are there any other discounts or exceptions to anything ie Hajj, food, books etc for students? Do student cook them selfs aswell (apart from the jamiah restuarant)? How about the Images you were going to upload?
Anyway, i'm going over the top. I apologise to all!
Make Dua for me & for the removal of Satanic (& Mankinds) Whispers and attacks (already from local mosque).
I wait for your reply (along with the other pages/sections)….& have patience Insha-Allah!
Salaam
MD Gulam Muhith
(I need to meet you once there please)
Assalaamu alaykum warahmatullahi wa barakaatuhu,
Akhi, I’m always busy, but I’m trying to go through a much as I can inshaa Allah. Ma shaa Allah, you have a lot of questions, so inshaa Allah, you’ll be able to keep notes of the answers you find out for yourself and then benefit the brothers via the website.
As for your letter, I think you have received it already, so that’s that question answered.
The letter must be from a ‘Government Official’ – try whatever you have to do to get it. I don’t think the fact that an MP may be a strong Christian should be an issue – it’s all about how you word your request..plus if you do it right, you can make them think that refusing is political suicide. You might be able to try to get it from a councilor, but I don’t know whether they would accept, since they would see it as local, rather than national government.
With all of your documents, you really need to try as hard as possible to get everything together on time. The university will make some allowances for coming late and/or missing documents, but they won’t hold on forever. I mentioned several times that you need a **lot** of patience, so this is a good start for developing it.
Getting there early has a lot of advantages. There is a massive queue of students to get processed, and some students who came late were delayed as much as a month in their studies because of admin work. The other major advantage is that accommodation in the new buildings are given on a first come-first served basis, so if you’re too late, you might end up in the older accommodation. The other aspect is time to adjust before you get too far into your study.
You’ll be offered 200 riyals (not very much) from your monthly stipend as soon as you come, but it might be as long as a month and a half before you get anything else, which is where it pays to have some money with you already.
It’s very difficult for me to comment anything more than I have with regard to how much money you will need. There’s a good principle though…western comforts cost about the same as they do in the UK (sometimes a little cheaper, sometimes more expensive), everything else is much cheaper. So the more you like your western comforts, the more money you will need. If you don’t have any accommodation to pay for, then the main expense is going to be food and transport. Transport is free if you use the uni buses, but a lot of brothers take taxis everywhere which can cost a few pounds every day. An expensive restaurant might cost you 50RS, and a fast food place like McDonalds about 25RS. If a brother goes every evening to one or the other (which is seriously not recommended), then he’s going to spend over 1000RS (£160) every month, not counting whatever he has for breakfast & lunch. However, most brothers if they can double their uni salary would be very very comfortable. Uni salary is about £140 a month, so IF you can manage it, then taking £1000 for the year would be ideal. However, some brothers want to buy laptops/MP3 players etc, or even to go home in the winter break, so that would have to be on top of the living costs.
£40 a month would be very useful, but I think for a person to be very comfortable, they would probably want nearer to £100, depending on their tastes, etc.
In terms of equipment and books, a good MP3 player is highly recommended for recording lectures & listening to them…I’m a bit of an Iriver fan myself.
There is a book fair once a year when books are discounted, and once you are in the university proper (after graduating from Arabic language), you get an extra 840 riyals every year just to buy books. However, most of us have a **lot** of books. I just sent 10 boxes back to the UK, which probably cost me about £1000. There were brothers who sent 150 boxes back, so I think for most serious students books are no.1 on the wish list.
Food in the university is discounted, especially in the university food hall, but most people don’t last even a month going there, if they are from the UK. It’s perfectly healthy food and the place is clean, but I think it’s just too much for most students who are used to really good food.
As a Saudi resident, you are only supposed to go to Hajj once every 5 years. I’ve stuck to the rule, but a lot of students just go illegally anyway. There are a limited number of free places, and most students get the chance to go at least once for free. If you went with a Saudi company, it would cost around 2000-3000 riyals (much cheaper than the UK, but no hotels, they just take you straight to the tents and then straight back). Umrah has no limitations at all, and most brothers just go by taxi for about 50 riyals.
Some brothers cook, but it depends on how clean the nearest kitchen space is, and how much it annoys the other students (some of the brothers have some very strange smelling food).
No time to upload the images just now, inshaa Allah, next month.
I seem to remember that you live in/near Birmingham? If so, I’m in Birmingham until Wednesday this week…
Wassalaamu alaykum,
Muhammad
Salaam! Hayyak wa Bayyak!
Jazak-Allah Khair wallhu Haseebuk!
First of all i do apologise to bombared with so many questions and if i’m pressuring you. Bro take your time if you’re busy as i said before.
Now let me tell you that i had a meeting with my MP today (5th Sept) in the morning and al-Hamdulillah he was very nice and simple. He was pleased to see me accepted to such Uni and also impressed with my history (Employment and academical). I also put in a request giving the dates of my course (as i mentioned on another page that i received the letter) and visa and asked him to do it asap….Subhan-Allah he said he’ll try by Monday. Everything is going at an steady pace so far, & praises belong to Allah. He was laughing and finding it strange that it’s strict requirements than UK to obtain a visa.
Now i’m just trying to get my doctors stuff done insha-Allah then get everything translated. Do you know whaere i can get them translated? Do we then go to solicitors to check everything and get stamps for photocopies of the original? Is there a strong need of translation or can i give it to Embassy and they can do it?
Utmost greatful to you for answering so many questions. Although some questions did put me off but then looking back at my experience, as i’ve travelled 1 Hajj and 2 Umrah and even lived at the Uni….i feel i can cope it Insha-Allah. I mainly ask you and others Dua for the removal of waswasah, and strengthening of Imaan and Taqwa with knowledge and application, making us successful in this Dunya and Akhirah with His pleasure.
Bro, i’m not working and i’m already in debt so i doubt it that i’ll bring much money with me. I think £30-40 a month i can support myself in addition (i know it’s not much) but i look at it like this….almost everything’s paid and they’re giving you in addition 840 riyals so what and why need more. I should be managing it insha-Allah as a student. I never use to eat much there (although i’m bit fat/big, all because of Zam zam and fanta and slush – al-Hamdulillah wa Masha-Allah) and dont even talk about McDonalds….i try avoiding it. Seems likemore than 1 Hajj would be difficult for me….maybe not expecting it….well ‘Sabr’ is best because you never lnow what happens!
You did mention that most would come late because of not receiving letters or Saudi Embassy etc So going 2 weeks late into study, would it be too late and a big affect on study? Would i be in the disadvantage side for anything? I mean i know some Arabic and need time to organise and prepare things to send abroad and to take with me.
Al-Hamdulillah, i already have a laptop (not really top or latest) and MP3 and dictation (voice recording) phone for lectures.
Ofcourse bro i’m from Birmingham. Where about are you? How old are you bro? I laugh if i’v bumped into you but dont know if this guy is ACTUALLY you. Let me know when and where i can link you. I live around Alum Rock area.
Gota go prayers so speak to you soon.
Take care
Salaam
(Once again THANKS! Make sure we link up please)
Assalaamu alaykum warahmatullahi wa barakaatuhu,
In terms of translation of documents, try to find a local bro who can speak Arabic. Ask at Green Lane, there should be a good few brothers who can help there inshaa Allah.
Inshaa Allah, I hope that the Q & A on this site doesn’t put anyone off anything, but as I mentioned, I want people to understand the reality of studying there, so that they can be genuinely prepared.
£30-£40 should be more than enough bro…It’s not like you’re going to go hungry, just a matter of luxuries and western comforts.
For most people, study wont have even started 2 weeks after, because of the medical and all of the other admin. Classes are started from the beginning, every week, for the first 4 weeks or so inshaa Allah.
Make sure that you keep notes of everything that you do. Inshaa Allah I’ll email you now about meeting in B/ham.
Wassalaamu alaykum warahmatullah,
Muhammad
As Salaamu ‘Alaykum
Akhi check your junk mail : D
Wa alaykumussalaam,
Accepted1430…who has to check their junk mail? I’m confused…
Sorry I was speaking to MD Ghulam Muhith.
Sorry for the confusion!
next august
As salamualaikum axkhi I wanted to know if I can give my papers in like december but cause I wont get my gcse’s tell august well they still put down for a place on the 2010 list jazakalum xar..
Wa alaykumussalaam warahmatullah,
Sorry for the late reply. Inshaa Allah, you can apply in December, and while there is no guarantee that you will be taken into account for 2010, inshaa Allah, it shouldn’t be too late. The earlier the better though!
Wassalaamu alaykum warahmatullah,
Muhammad
assalamualaikum, i am 19 and i am doing an accountancy degree, is there any kind of part time accountancy job in madinah so i work and study at the same or is that too much work.
Wa alaykumussalaam warahmatullah,
I think it probably is too much to work and study at the same time…I tried it for a couple of years. Now I work as a translator, so it’s a little bit easier, but even so, I find myself missing deadlines.
The other important point to note is that **officially** you aren’t allowed to work, but unofficially, the reality is that some brothers have to because of their circumstances, especially those who are married.
In terms of accountancy, I don’t think there would be very much going for a number of reasons. Firstly, it’s one of those jobs which they tend to restrict to Saudi nationals only…I guess it’s a money/trust thing. The other aspect is the fact that a lot of accountancy in Saudi is based on Islamic law (i.e. no tax calculations because there is no tax, but zakaah calculations, which require a qualified person). If you were to ask me about English teaching, I would tell you that there are loads of opportunities, same goes for IT & training…these are the type of things you mostly find people from the UK getting employed in. It’s not unheard of for them to find other jobs, especially if they are very well qualified in something, but I would say that it’s probably the exception rather than the rule. Allah knows best.
May Allah make it easy for you,
Wassalaamu alaykum warahmatullah,
Muhammad
Salaam alaykum i was wondering akhi about applying for the secondary education in the university if it is easier to get in?
Jazak/Allah
Salaam alaykum
Assalamu Alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa brakatuhu,
Jazaku Allahu khair for this website it has answered all of my questions Alhumdulillahi rabbil A’lameen. Also guess what Shaykh Tawfique Chodhury is here and I spoke to him about applying to Al-Madinah Alhumdulillah I will have an interview with his Shaykh who came from Al-Madinah University, Insha’Allah all goes well. All I need is two letters of recommendation, May Allah make it easy for me.
Jazaku Allahu Khair, please make Dua’ for me brother
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Assalamu Alaikum.
Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Brakatuhu,
Brother, I live in Australia and I want to study in Al-Madinah Insha’Allah, I want to know how to apply and what requirements are there? I passed year 12 last year and I am deteremined to apply and enter to study the beauty of Islam in depth. Please help me jazaku Allahu khair.
Wa alaykumussalaam warahmatullahi wa barakaatuhu br. Fadi,
May Allah make your search for knowledge easy.
I set up this site to help people apply, inshaa Allah you’ll find most of the information you need on these pages. Please read through all of the pages and comments on the site, then feel free to post a comment if you have any questions.
Inshaa Allah, I can give you some excellent contacts in Australia when you want to apply, but first please read through the site in detail.
Wassalaamu alaykum,
Muhammad
Salamu Alaykum Akhee Barakallahu feek Why are there very few Students from the west who dont pursue their masters or even Doctorates; ive notice 98% of the duaat are brothers who went a few years and didn’t finish or they finished with a bachelores but stoped after that?
Wa alaykumussalaam warahmatullah br. Muhammad,
Sorry – I think I missed answering your post. The site has been really busy over the last month because of people who are waiting for the list of accepted students to come out.
I think there are two distinct issues. 1. why people quit before finishing their degree 2. why people don’t go on to masters
I’ve probably answered no.1 in a lot of detail on the site, since it was one of the reasons that motivated me to make this blog in the first place.
As for no.2, there are a whole load of reasons. The most common are probably:
(a) Masters is 4 years long and Doctorate is another 4 years, so that’s a lot of commitment. Bear in mind that a lot of people are in their 20s when they apply, so after 6 years, many of them are approaching 30. To give another 8 years on top of the 6 is too much to ask for a lot of people, especially since they can’t get a job, and most haven’t even got married.
(b) Masters is VERY hard to get into. As far as I know, they accept about 10 students every year per course. There are roughly 2 courses in every faculty, so out of the entire group of eligible people (I’d guess around about 1000 students), there are less than 100 places. Now add to that the fact that they accept applications from other Saudi universities. Also bear in mind that there are two or three courses that are extremely competitive, like Aqeedah & Usool-ul-Fiqh. Most students don’t even bother applying unless they have a 90%+ grade in their degree, and many who apply are 95%+ students, of whom many get rejected.
(c) It’s not only about grades, there is a gruelling exam to enter into masters, which I have seen very talented students fail, as well as an interview, and further references are required. The exam is more or less on everything that the students who specialise in the subject have studied in four years, so if you didn’t specialise in aqeedah but you want to do it for masters, you have a LOT of reading to do.
(d) The university now has a paid masters degree, run on an evening. This is open to anyone with a degree in a relevant subject – even if they come from outside of Saudi. However, it is very rare to see a non-Saudi on this course, because it is a. expensive for most people and b. they don’t give you a visa.
(e) There are two other aspects which a lot of western students trip up on. Firstly, they require an even higher standard of Arabic than in the degree, and a lot of students just don’t have good enough language skills. Secondly, they require a good standard of Qur’aan recitation, which could be another problem.
(f) The masters is split into two: 1 year of learning, 3 years of research, culminating in a masters thesis. Some people feel that the 3 years can be a waste of time, especially since you have to pick a subject that nobody has done before, and a lot of people end up doing commentary on a book. I’m not saying that it isn’t beneficial, but a lot of people feel that way.
(g) A lot of people get sick of the problems that they face. Especially if they are facing financial problems, or family problems, so when you ask them about masters, they feel that they have basically had enough.
(h) A lot of people say that they would love to do masters, but they feel that their responsibility is torn between going back and giving da’wah, or staying to do masters and doctorate.
(i) Some people want to do masters in another country, like Malaysia, or even in a western university.
However, I think one of the MAJOR reasons can be summarised by what one of the senior people responsible for acceptance for masters and doctorate said to me:
I haven’t made up my mind yet, but I know if I don’t start revising very hard, my mind might end up being made for me
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Allah knows best,
Wassalaamu alaykum warahmatullah,
Muhammad
Salaam bro, How are you doin? InshAllah fine and I wish you the best of this world and hereafter.
I have read much on your website, and may Allah reward you, such great work. MashAllah.
I really really want to study in the University of Madinah or Makkah, I am eager for it and very motivated. I live in The Netherlands(Holland).
Can you help me?
Wa alaykumussalaam warahmatullahi wa barakaatuhu,
May Allah make your quest for knowledge easy.
Of course if there is anything I can do to help, I’ll try my best inshaa Allah.
It’s really a matter of you getting your papers together – obviously it’s better to submit them in person, but if that isn’t possible then either myself or another student can submit it on your behalf inshaa Allah.
Wa alaykumussalaam warahmatullah,
Muhammad
ok, I will read it, its just that I am desperate and fear that I wont get accepted. But I think most of those who want to aply there have the same feeling. If I have any question I will send you a comment inshaAllah.
Assalaamu alaykum,
Honestly, I think one of the myths surrounding Madinah university is that everyone who graduates is capable of teaching or giving da’wah.
I think that there are a number of issues that need to be understood.
1) The university gives you key principles, but without putting the effort in yourself, you become very weak in applying those principles to real life. Imagine that in my course, if I was to count the questions I am asked when giving lectures, they only represent around 5% of what I learn. Maybe someone could say that if I specialised in fiqh (instead of hadeeth) it would be more, but even so I don’t think it would reach even 20%. In terms of questions and answers, I find myself using what I learn with Shaykh ‘Abdul Muhsin Al-’Abbaad in the masjid far more than I refer back to my university study, because you actually see one of the major scholars implementing and answering questions based upon what he knows.
2) The university is based on the Saudi system of education, meaning that they assume that you have completed the equivalent of Saudi high school. Saudi middle school and high school covers some really important basic Islamic books, that we don’t cover at all in the university. These can sometimes be more important in terms of the basic level that we deal with in the west.
3) Even if you learn a book in the university, or outside, the teacher can’t memorise for you and can’t push you to learn the things you need for your community. A lot is left to the student
4) If you don’t revise what you learn you forget…as if you never learnt it
5) So much of da’wah is based on hikmah and fiqh (as in understanding HOW to work with the proofs that you know and how to approach the Qur’aan and the Sunnah, according to the understanding of the salaf us saalih). This can only be learned from sitting with true scholars over a long period of time
6) There is less barakah in learning in the university than learning in the masjid, especially because your niyyah can become focused on your grades rather than your knowledge
7) Unfortunately, the university has had to adopt the Saudization system, meaning that they replace excellent teachers from other countries, with Saudi teachers, even if they are not as good. We have excellent Saudi teachers, but there is no doubt that benefiting from scholars from all over the world, at the top of their field, is better than trying to find the same knowledge, whilst being restricted to teachers who are mostly Saudi.
8 ) The university is getting more and more relaxed about who they accept, in terms of preferring academic ability over how much they actually practise. That’s not true of every student, and there were students at the beginning of the university who were not practising properly, but even in 5 years I can see a huge difference in the quality of students, and I’m sure that someone from 10 or 20 years ago would say the same about us.
9) Not every student who graduates wants to get involved in da’wah. Many of them came for themselves and their families and don’t want anything more than that. We can argue whether this is right or wrong, and I do think a lot of it comes from mistakes in intention and getting lazy when they are here. Some students don’t have a platform for giving da’wah, but they do benefit their family and local community.
10) and probably one of the most important things, is that teaching and giving da’wah is itself a skill. I’ve found amazingly talented students from masters and doctorate, who can’t even give a Jumu’ah khutbah. Whereas I know some students who got involved in da’wah from day one. Nothing at all can beat experience and practise, and without that, very few people are able to teach and speak in front of others. I remember asking Shaykh Abdul Muhsin Al-Qaasim, the imaam of the masjid An-Nabawi, and he said to me that when he first sat in the masjid to teach, he found himself saying: “I don’t know” to almost every question – despite being a qualified judge. He said that once he taught for a year or so, he began to find himself knowing the answers to the questions, based on his experience teaching.
Just a few thoughts…and Allah knows best.
Wassalaamu alaykum,
Muhammad
Akhi, I’ve always wanted to know why so many brothers are accepted every year from the UK, but so few are teaching activiey?
Mashallah Excellent advice akhi, we should know our level, I think self promotion is very dangerious.
Any news on this years Acceptance List?
Jazakallah Khair for the quick responce, and taking the time out of your busy schedule to aid your brothers.
Assalaamu alaykum,
Wa iyyaak (but my schedule isn’t as busy as it should be…really)
No news on acceptance as of yet, last year it was in late July, so I’m not holding my breath
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Wa alaykumussalaam,
Muhammad
AsalamuAlykum,
How do students fit all their books in such a small space, I persume most students need many books, and large volumes to aid them in their path of seeking knowledge.
Wa alaykumussalaam warahmatullah,
Good question! I live outside the university, so I don’t have to worry so much. There are different ways of going about it. Some students buy whatever they can and get creative with their room arrangement – extra shelves on top of the desk, get rid of the bed, etc. Some students only buy the books they need for their university study and one or two reference books, then use the libraries when they want to read in more detail. Some students buy loads of books and take as many as they can back to their country every summer, so that they can buy more. Some aren’t interested in books, and just make notes in class. Maybe some students store them with friends who live outside of the university – it all depends on the students.
Unfortunately, people aren’t very wise in buying books. There’s a bit of an art to it and I always seek advice from people who are knowledgeable, not just about which prints are better than others, but also about which books I need to understand now, and which are more advanced and can be left until next year. The salaf had a very firm way of seeking knowledge which most of us have lost, and it’s extremely rare to see someone following it now. They would not let their eye set on a book until it was the right time for them, progressing step by step. More than one of the scholars of the past mentioned this. Nowadays people waste their time reading books that are either (a) of very little benefit (b) not suitable for their level, and so they become confused. More than one of the salaf used to say: “Whoever makes his book his teacher, has more mistakes than he is right”.
Baarak Allahu feek
Wassalaamu Alaykum,
Muhammad